KillerOutside

Wizarding World of Harry Potter

Thursday August 18, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Someone wise once told me that Harry Potter posts are always welcome in the forest, but if I should have gotten permission, please feel free to smack me around a little. I promise to pretend not to enjoy it...

Right. So! My husband and I are going to be attending the Harry Potter celebration at the Wizarding World in Orlando. We will be there from November 10th - 13th. We didn't get the premier package, but we did get the other package with the Q&A with the cast and crew. Anyone else attending?

Also, they've sent out two batches of Pottermore welcome e-mails so far. Has anyone gotten one yet?? I'm going CaRAZY over here.

Also, also, I've decided on my Harry Potter tattoo(s) and will be getting them effective immediately! Woo!

 

RANGER EDIT:  ANYTHING HARRY RELATED IS ALLOWED IN THE FOREST AT ALL TIMES

EDIT: What's someone have to do to get a beating around here!?

Nayaritism

Negative Feedback

Thursday August 18, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Hola chicos! I'm gonna make another goal of thirty campfires a day ;) We'll see how it goes. It's just these discussions bring GREAT topics to delve more into.

In yesterday's discussion (Writers and their Readers) eila brought up the issue of authors engaging in negative feedback. Here's a bit of what she brought up: 

I think in fanfic, because writers are encouraged to engage with their readers, they sometimes feel the need to respond to the negative as well as the positive. So I think it's not that it's harder to swallow in the fandom, just that we hear about it more.

With the upsurge in self publishing, more original authors are interacting with their readers in a way there is no buffer of agent or publisher and it's showing in an upsurge of authors on the attack for negative reviewers. That is an example of the lines becoming blurred. Because of the interaction between readers and writers, the writers feel the reviewers are their friends and so it is allowable to tackle bad reviews. It's much more like what happens in fandom. [. . .] 

No writer can hope to please everyone regardless of if they are a friend. I do think it's a bad move for any writer to publicly pick apart or rebuke a negative review. It's not classy and puts readers off.

Now I've gotta admit, I'm one of THOSE writers. Hell, I'm one of THOSE people, I engage everyone, everything, many, many, many times when I probably shouldn't too. But I'd always assumed that, like eila said, we're encouraged to engage readers, so it didn't make sense to just engage one type of reader. BUT . . is engaging the negative a bad thing?

Do you think fanfic writer's should engage negative criticism of their stories?

Does publicly or privately make a difference to you?

Would it be more acceptable, do you think, if a writer tackled a review or something said in a thread by say PMing or review replying the person?

Would it be more acceptable, do you think, if a writer were to participate in a thread with negative criticism?

As a reader, do you want to hear what the writer has to say about negative feedback?

As a writer, do you WANT to respond to negative feedback?

Have you had an experience with a writer who responded to negative feedback? Maybe you were the writer, how did you handle it? Maybe you sent a review, how did the writer handle it? Maybe you participated in a thread and saw and author come in, how did they handle it?

If you DO feel like writers should engage in negative feedback, what is the right way to do it? What is the wrong way?

Have you ever experienced a response to negative feedback that turned you off? Have you ever experienced a response to negative feedback that REALLY impressed you?

Also, does the TYPE of negative feedback change any of your answers? I meant strictly negative criticism of the work. BUT what if it were flames? What if it were personal attacks? Does your opinion on involvement change then?

Let's chitter-chatter today!

Camilla

I have got a thread!

Thursday August 18, 2011 at 5:30 AM

OK, after 16 stories posted on 2 websites I finally have been given a thread for two of them. They are The Parachutist and Parachutist 2 – Our New World. It is probably too late, it all should  have started time ago. But the fact is that I had problems with the Twilight forums, the passwords failed… and I am not very capable. In any case, now I have an avatar and a new blinkie and I can even go visiting other authors’ threads.
I plan to post the images that can’t decorate my chapters on ff net and some sneak peeks. And to answer anybody who comes visiting, of course.

Here is the link: http://www.twilighted.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=17854


 

Ugh, the blinkie should lead to my profile, but it doesn't. In any case http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1871609/

DELETED USER

There Is a Light....

Wednesday August 17, 2011 at 10:52 PM

It's Friday and so that means we now have an update!

We have an update!

 

Please let's discuss!!

 

Edit--there will be spoilers

DELETED USER

Forks

Wednesday August 17, 2011 at 9:57 PM

Struckatthesky  The Lurker and I are making our second trip to Forks!

Without mah kidlets (The Offspring and The Midget)

If anyone will be there for Labor Day weekend, it would be fun to meet up!

becks

STORMS!!

Wednesday August 17, 2011 at 7:31 PM

Oh my actual GOD!! Storms by Alice El1zabeth has updated after over a year - she is a very young author, but incredibly talented and I pimped her at the time, but gave up because I thought she may have moved on from this particular obsession. Seems not, and this latest chapter is even more mature and even better written than before. Would love to meet her. Even at 16 or so I reckon she is a force to be reckoned with, 

No good at links I am afraid but the author and title will be enough to find it on FF.net

Be warned when you review she can be incredibly self deprecating, sarky, reply in french  etc. Ignore this and put it down to youth!!

Please read and review - let's encourage her

OliveJuice

So

Wednesday August 17, 2011 at 5:24 PM

 

Thoughts?

 

I think the only thing that bothers me, is that I think it's time they move Jacob a few steps back, you know? If they insist on burying some hidden message it should be that Jacob has you know......lost?

 

Oh and Esme's hair.........WHY NOT CARAMEL HAIR? WHAT'S SO WRONG WITH THAT?

 

Edit: The more I look at it, the worse it gets. I can't even.......oh my god. And HEY, Jasper is borrowing Carlisle's scarf.........

NathyGallagher

Master Fic List

Wednesday August 17, 2011 at 4:09 PM

Hello guys!!

I was looking into the Master Fic List and didn`t find any list that only has JACOB and LEAH fics, so if you know any good ones please help me.

Nayaritism

Accents?

Wednesday August 17, 2011 at 3:38 PM

OMG, I know you guys are TOTALLY tired of seeing me. Trust me I'm tired too (hehe, no really, I need sleep, and I'm pretty sure I'm maxed out with daily campfire usage). BUT my monthly writing peice for Raum's MyReadingLounge.blogspot.com went up and I'm pretty shameless in general, tis' true, so here's me pimping again.

So feel free to check it out here: http://myreadinglounge.blogspot.com/2011/08/writing-lab-nayarits-lesson-about.html

Now, the fun part, let's make this interactive!

Are there any fics you've read and enjoyed that had a character with an accent? 

Are there any fics you've read and disliked that had a character with an accent?

Gimme some examples of what works for you? And what doesn't?

How do you personally feel about conveying accents and dialects in dialog? 

Let's talk accents in writing! And rec some great fics with accents too!

DELETED USER

Picture Post!

Wednesday August 17, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Hey Campers!

It's been awhile since I've seen one of these fires and I feel like looking at pretty/funny/cool things.  

Come share pictures with me!

(my husband sent me this today. *groan*)  

 

Show me your faces, your pets, your holiday shots, something you found that's neato - whatever! :)

 

Nayaritism

Writers and their Readers

Wednesday August 17, 2011 at 10:56 AM

This is round dos of the questions and discussions I'd like to have that stemmed from xsecretxkeeperx's campfire yesterday.

Yesterday, Lifeinthesnow wrote the following analogy about the relationship between a writer and her readers, specifically pertaining to announcing a flounce or disliking a course a story was taking:

If you were a guest at someone's dinner party and you've enjoyed some nice first courses, would you throw your napkin down just as the third course is served, announce to everyone within earshot that you don't care for spinach and you didn't think this meal would include spinach, then storm out? Some people do care for spinach.

Now, if it's a matter of the spinach being overcooked or too salty, or a too-bitter contrast that doesn't pair with the first two courses, there's a way to give feedback that the cook can use to prepare the dish better the next time. But even then, for me, I would possibly do that at a restaurant where I'm a paying customer but not so much as a guest in someone's home.

Now, I personally didn't agree with the analogy, HOWEVER, it's caused me to think SO much this past day. And maybe I'm wrong. Because I think there is a HUGE degree of validity to the idea. 

IS the writer and reader relationship in this fandom similar to one of a personal dinner party?

Have we crossed that line, into familiarity? Taken away the distance that is usually established in a writer/reader relationship, and replaced it with accessibility, even accountability?

I remember one of my first thoughts about writing for this fandom, and it had been returned to me by my readers, was that it was great to be there with them during the writing process. They could "pick" my brain, so to speak. 

Many of us aren't BNA's here, so we DO review reply, we DO get to know our readers. Yesterday, I responded to the above analogy with what I viewed the relationship to be like:

It's quite a difference to serve spinach at your dinner party than it is to cater it out to an entire 250 guest event. Which really is what happens when putting something out for mass consumption.

The analogy of serving spinach at your dinner party to a writer and her readers is only applicable in the sense of pre-readers. Because honestly, would you invite just any stranger off the street, that you didn't know anything about, don't know their preferences or not, into your home and serve them as a personal guest? It may be a bit extreme, but you don't know that guest, what if they've got a HUGE issue with spinach, what if they have high cholesterol and the salt does them in? Just like they weren't personal guest and you didn't personally invite them, there isn't that level of comfort or knowledge, therefore the line of "hospitable" is erased.

Now you've got the same situation as a cater to the 250 guest event. There are going to be those that bring up last event's cater, and what they did better, there are going to be those that LOVE the spinach, and those that HATE the spinach. And those that will be quite vocal about whatever opinion they have. They may talk about it among their group, they may wonder exactly what went wrong with the spinach and ask other guests, they may even come up to you and ask you or tell you what they felt was wrong with the spinach. And you have to deal. You put your spinach out there for mass consumption, not a group of pre-readers who will hold a hand, or bite a tongue on their personal preferences to spinach because they're guests and don't want to be rude.

NOW I'm starting to believe that neither is wholly accurate in comparing the relationship of a writer and their readers IN THE FANDOM, because it has somehow become a fusion of the two analogies.

AND, to get to where I'm trying to get at . . . IS this a good thing?

With familiarity comes a degree of comfort.

If you've got a house guest over and they're one you've had over quite often and personally discussed the spinach with, and they'd previously loved it, and now hate it or instead of taking a second serving of spinach like they usually do, dismiss it altogether, wouldn't you feel comfortable enough with them to ask them what went wrong, or at least hope that they would tell you?

Conversely, If you've been a house guest over at the hostesses home many times, and personally discussed the spinach with her, loved her spinach but then she changes it up, maybe she's trying a new recipe that's different from her previous spinach, maybe she adds bacon, and she's always added bacon, but you're just now noticing, and you feel comfortable in asking her why she went the new route. Even more you feel comfortable telling her you don't care for the spinach this way, and would you even feel comfortable enough to expect her to want to amend the spinach to please you?

With familiarity comes a sense of entitlement, it's human nature. When you get comfortable with someone, and they get comfortable with you, favors may be asked, emotions exchanged, a relationship forms, and subconsciously the familiarity evolves into expectations.

Is THIS what's happening in the fandom?

Is there too much familiarity?

Is that old, common separation between writer and reader blurred? Is it a sign of the times?

Is that a good thing? A bad one?

Is THIS why negative criticism is harder to swallow in the fandom, because we subconciously feel it's coming from a guest instead of a stranger?

Think about a writer who responds to your reviews, or a writer that you developed a relationship with because of their writing.

What if they stopped responding to reviews? What if they said something in a campfire or community or on twitter that you didn't agree with AT ALL, maybe even something that upset you? What if they took a turn in their story that you didn't agree with?

How would you handle the above situations? Would your answers be different if you DIDN'T know the author or DIDN'T have an established relationship with them?

Is entitlement justified?

Get in here and chitter-chatter with me about this please! I'm super curious!

RainyGirl1978

Humpday Games

Wednesday August 17, 2011 at 10:15 AM

Let's have some fun! :)

This week’s game: Fan Fic-tionary!

 

Describe the title of a fic, or a catchphrase from a fic, by using an image for each word in the title/phrase.

Guidelines:
1. You can use a title or catch phrase (a memorable phrase associated with a particular fic)
2. Use a word or image to describe each word in the title/phrase
3. When you leave a guess, make sure to also enter your own clues as well!

Example:

Not Now + 

(Answer: Laters + Baby (MoTU))

 

Come on inside and post your clues and your guesses!  I'll work on coming up with some, meet you inside!

lucinda007lulu

Looking for....

Tuesday August 16, 2011 at 9:57 PM

Hi fellow fic addicts :)

I've spent the better part of today searching for 2 fics that I just can't find!

1. Bella is pregnant as a surrogate for Rose and Emmet. Something has happened to Alice (I think she has depression and tried to commit suicide) and B comes back to Forks. Edward runs into her in a coffee shop there and initially thinks she is pregnant with Jake's baby.

2.  I haven't read this one but Bella has a baby girl with Down Syndrome, her husband (might be James??) leaves her to raise the baby on her own as a single mother.

 

Any one know what these fics might be? Thanks!

Nayaritism

Announcing a Flounce

Tuesday August 16, 2011 at 9:52 PM

xsecretxkeeperx's campfire got me thinking about the heated topic of whether or not to tell a writer you're flouncing. 

And in all honesty I'd like to have this discussion. Come inside and share your thoughts with me on the following, because I'd really like to know!

Do you think readers should tell an author why they're flouncing their fic?

Do you think authors want to know when a reader flounces?

Is there a RIGHT way to do this? 

Is there a WRONG way to do this?

If you ARE going to announce a flounce, is it better on a community like ADF or a Twi-thread or in a review? 

And, do you feel reader entitlement comes into play? 

 

Also, do you have any first hand accounts as a reader or writer with an announced flounce?

A good experience? As a reader did you announce a flounce and the author responded and was receptive? As a writer did a reader announce a flounce and you learned something constructive from it? A bad experience? What made it bad? What could have improved it? 

nebfan51

Tuesday August 16, 2011 at 9:47 PM

I am reading one of the funniest fanfics I have ever read - I mean I'm rolling on the floor!!!!  FAN FICTION, SEX GODS AND SINGLE GIRLS -  fanfiction id: 7103047.  This is a realitively new fic with ten chapters down.  The author, bannerday, updates about once a week.  You are really missing out if you don't give this one a go.  Is anybody else reading this and if so, what's your opinion?

Diana Wolfskill

Old Favorites and New Updates

Tuesday August 16, 2011 at 9:18 PM

I'm just wondering about the oldest and newest fics on Campers' FF.Net Favorites lists. Hopefully, I'll get some good recs. =)

The oldest fics on my FF.Net favorites list are:

(1) Attention Walmart Shoppers by sillybella A hilarious classic and quick, fun read. It completed 1/29/2007 (D@mn!)

Summary from FF.Net: Edward has decided Bella needs protection. What kind of protection? The kind you can buy at Walmart. In the pharmacy.

(2) Peonies by sillybella Tear-your-heart-out-and-stomp-on-it angst. Amazing! It completed 6/14/07

Summary form FF.Net: I return every year to watch the peonies bloom. Bella planted them to remind me of our love. “Because you won’t change me, and someday I’m going to die.” It's been twenty years since I left. Did she have the happy human life I wanted for her? AU E/B

(3) Family Therapy Cullen Style by vjgm  Another excellent and hilarious fic. It completed 5/15/2008.

Summary form FF.Net: Carlisle has had it with the children's constant bickering so he sends the Cullen's to family therapy. Suicidal Edward,Bella's fear of committment, Alice addicted to shopping, Rosalie's hostility, Emmett and Japer's gambling..who will survive? FUNNY
 

The newest updates are for:

(1) A Federation of Cassandras by FoiPur Excellent, excellent Nessie story. Yes, Nessie. Read it! Updated today.

Summary form FF.Net: In which Renesmee runs away.

(2) An Introduction to Swirl and Daisy by m81170 D@mn good and so sweet! Updated 8/14/2011.

Summary form FF.Net:A first kiss, a first dance, a first curse word shared between best friends. This is the tale of a boring, young geek and the social pariah who thought the world of him. A tale of growing up. A tale of a Non-Romantic Romance.

(3) The Red Eye by badjujube Edward is a vampire and a private dick. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Need I say more? Updated 8/13/2011.

Summary form FF.Net: It's important for any private investigator to maintain a good relationship with local law enforcement and it's representatives. Therefore, I am always cooperative and polite with Chief Swan. Also, I try not to drink his daughter Bella's blood.

So, old favorites? Hot new updates? 
 

wtvoc

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

Tuesday August 16, 2011 at 7:08 PM

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE WINNERS OF THE BOYS ON BOARDS CONTEST INCLUDING MY BABY AND YOUR RANGER JANDCO, WINNER OF BOTH THE VOTE AND THE JUDGE'S AWARD

FIRST PLACE- for when i'm gone by jandco

SECOND PLACE- beautiful girl by ezrocksangel

THIRD PLACE- masen days by pureamuse

JUDGE'S CHOICE- for when i'm gone by my baby :')

READ ALL THE ENTRIES HERE 

CONGRATS TO EVERYONE, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATING!

bexi21

TVD Season 2 Bloopers

Tuesday August 16, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Bloopers for TVD Season 2 have been released.  If you don't want to be spoiled and wait until the DVD comes out, then obviously, DON'T WATCH

But if you just can't wait (like myself) then this will give you a nice laugh - especially at the end... Ian cracks me up.

 

 

tnuccio

Wounded Warrior

Tuesday August 16, 2011 at 12:43 PM

Approved by the purple ranger

It seems like it's been forever, but truly it's been but a handful of years since I stumbled, naive and unassumingly, into this fandom.  In that time I've made so wonderful friends who have become "real life" friends, "online" friends, "Facebook" friends and women who I only get the honor of conversing with on forums like this.  Through all the bickering and sometimes not-so-lovely things that happen whenever you get a group of women together, I have found some people that I've come to truly treasure in my life.

I'd like to talk about one of these women now if it's okay with you.  Years ago I "met" someone online named "TigerMom", not a writer, just a reader and someone I'd talk to in forums such as this one.  She friended me on Facebook and there we developed a wonderful online relationship.  We "chatted" frequently, discussed politics, Harry Potter, Twilight, our kids, the shitty economic situation and so many other topics.  While not always agreeing we've always dealt with each other with respect and courtesy.

Nearly a month ago I was online when Siobhan (TigerMom)  found out her son, 21 year old, Private Derek of the United States Army was injured while stationed in Afghanistan.  He sustained life altering injuries which included multiple amputations.

Now, having a brother that I love dearly and treasure greatly as a fellow infantryman, this hit me rather hard and I spent as much time as we could online talking about this.  I simply sent her a message and asked if she needed to talk.  Because lets face it, when you get that call you don't necessarily want to talk but you just have to.

Since that time I've talked to her a few times and I've left her messages on her Facebook telling her to stay strong and letting her know that there are many people out there who support her.

Soibhan has a blog through the Walking with my wounded warrior website.  

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/Walkingwithmywoundedwarrior/journal/1/createdAt/asc

This tells Siobhan and Dereks story down to what happened to him and the challenges they are still facing.  There are many and the road will be very long to recovery.

As a mother, a friend, a fellow military family member, as a human... she honors me with her commiitment and her dedication.

This community has been wonderful to me always.  As a member of this community I hope you will take the time to read her blog, send her a card or send something for Derek to thank him for his sacrifice, just stop by the blog and tell her you are thinking of her, or simply say a prayer for her and Derek.

There are no words for what this mother is going through right now, none that will adequately express the moments she's spending, sitting, crying, loving, helping her son.  Any support she can get, even just emotionally through the internet is more than she has right now.

Thank you for listening.

♥ t

wtvoc

apropos of nothing: jane eyre is out on dvd today

Tuesday August 16, 2011 at 11:03 AM

ask a _______

here's how this works:

you make a comment listing what you're an expert~ in

we ask you questions based on your qualifications; you ask us questions in turn

(this is a good way to make friends to those of you new campers out there)

ask awayyyyyyyyyyy

and don't ask me medical questions, i'll probably just tell you to go see your doctor

k, tinypic can still eat me, but it's working now. your uncle wtvoc and mr. rochester tyfyt:

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